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Robertson: Gay Rights Advocates Should “Shut Their Mouth”

Pat Robertson says he won’t back gay rights as homosexuality is one of “the reasons why land will vomit out its inhabitants”


I’m not even going to address his ludicrous gays can’t have babies rant.  I’m going to talk about his use, or rather mis-use of Scripture to support his bullshit.  

I’ve absolutely had it with people who tell me that the Bible does not support homophobia… or that people are misinterpreting it… or that the original texts did not recognize homosexuality as a thing… or any of the other mumbo-jumbo like that I’ve had thrown at me.

The Bible is used as a weapon by those who are spreading hate and intolerance in the name of their god.  Every single time I hear one of these asshats quote the book of Leviticus I want to scream!

Here are some vital statistics for Leviticus:

PURPOSE: A handbook for the priests and Levites outlining their duties in worship, and a guidebook of holy living for the Hebrews.  

Not a guidebook for the nations or the world, but specifically for the Hebrews.

AUTHOR: Moses

ORIGINAL AUDIENCE: The people of Israel

Get that, the people of Israel.

SETTING: At the foot of Mount Sinai.  God is teaching the Israelites how to live as holy people.

Again, teaching the Israelites.

Rules for daily living, family responsibility, sexual conduct, relationships, and dealing with the world are covered in Leviticus chapters 18-20.  God does an effective job of making no mistakes who his audience was for these laws:

Leviticus 18:1-2  1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:1-2 1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: ‘Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy.

Leviticus 20:12 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites

Am I the only one missing where God instructed Moses to speak to all nations and let them know about the never ending universal applications of these laws?  I’ve also searched the New Testament line by line, and I have not found the verse that specifies which of these sins were nullified with the new covenant and which were not.  There is no clear “Thou shalt hate the gays but eat shellfish” verse; believe me, I’ve looked.  Newsflash Pat Robertson and company, Leviticus is not the law of THIS land, unless I missed a major part of world history and geography.

It infuriates me that “liberal” or “inclusive” Christians pretend that just because people use the Bible out of context, the hurt they cause is invalidated.  I know Robertson is full of shit.  Lots of Christians know so as well, but what he and many of our politicians and lawmakers are doing, are referencing the Bible in support of their actions.  The fact that they’re using it out of context or misinterpreting it doesn’t make their words and actions any less harmful.  The fact that they use it as a weapon to promote intolerance does not make me want to say, “Oh shucks, their just ignorant of theology, I’ll forgive them.”  Robertson has a large audience;  one that funds him and his station.  Regardless of his misrepresentation of scripture, people out there are soaking it up.  

I’ve had about as much as I can take of those who attack me for talking against the Bible.  The Bible is a book, and like all books it is open for interpretation.  However, unlike other books, people are willing to mold it into whatever they see fit and use it to govern and rule; even if it causes harm to others.  

One of the major issues I have with Christianity, and had even when I was a Christian, is that if you think your church is too conservative, you can just go down the road to the local inclusive church and they’ll give you their explanation to why people like Robertson are wrong about the laws in Leviticus,  and why homosexuality is not a sin.  Same book, different spin.  Yet for some reason I’m the one in the wrong.  Interesting. 

Evangelical Christianity.

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This is what Christian groups like Focus on the Family, and the more liberal Christians who tolerate them, do to families.
(via Father’s Letter Disowning Gay Son James After Coming Out Goes Viral)

This is what Christian groups like Focus on the Family, and the more liberal Christians who tolerate them, do to families.

(via Father’s Letter Disowning Gay Son James After Coming Out Goes Viral)

Source : The Huffington Post

Washington (CNN) — A Kansas church notorious for its angry, anti-gay protests at military funerals will continue the controversial practice despite new restrictions in a bill passed by Congress that awaits President Barack Obama’s signature.
"That’s really not going to change our plans at all," Westboro Baptist Church spokesman Steve Drain told CNN on Friday. "We’re going to continue to do that. We’re also going to continue to obey all laws."
The next planned protest is at a military funeral Saturday in Lincoln, Nebraska, and Drain said: “We’ll be out there, doing our thing.”
Under provisions of a comprehensive veterans affairs bill that won final congressional approval Tuesday, protesters must be at least 300 feet from military funerals from two hours before they start until two hours after they end.
Violators could face unspecified fines and up to two years in prison.

Washington (CNN) — A Kansas church notorious for its angry, anti-gay protests at military funerals will continue the controversial practice despite new restrictions in a bill passed by Congress that awaits President Barack Obama’s signature.

"That’s really not going to change our plans at all," Westboro Baptist Church spokesman Steve Drain told CNN on Friday. "We’re going to continue to do that. We’re also going to continue to obey all laws."

The next planned protest is at a military funeral Saturday in Lincoln, Nebraska, and Drain said: “We’ll be out there, doing our thing.”

Under provisions of a comprehensive veterans affairs bill that won final congressional approval Tuesday, protesters must be at least 300 feet from military funerals from two hours before they start until two hours after they end.

Violators could face unspecified fines and up to two years in prison.

DON’T TAKE MT. OLYMPIA OUT OF THE OLYMPICS!

DON’T TAKE MT. OLYMPIA OUT OF THE OLYMPICS!


A black couple in Crystal Springs, Mississippi says that a predominantly white Baptist church refused to let them get married because of their race.

Charles and Te’Andrea Wilson told WLBT that the day before they were to be married, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs informed them the ceremony would have to be moved due to the reaction of some white church members — even though the couple had attended the church regularly.

"The church congregation had decided no black could be married at that church, and that if [the pastor] went on to marry her, then they would vote him out the church," Charles Wilson explained.

When the pastor was asked why he didn’t perform the wedding, the typical Christian cleric coward said:

"I didn’t want to have a controversy within the church, and I didn’t want a controversy to affect the wedding of Charles and Te’ Andrea. I wanted to make sure their wedding day was a special day."


Corey Bernstein is a 17-year-old resident of New Jersey and co-chair of the Youth Caucus at Garden State Equality, the state’s organization for LGBT civil rights. In an email sent to [creationist nutbag Kirk] Cameron through his manager on Friday, Bernstein wrote that he had “endured brutal bullying” in high school because he was gay, and invited Cameron to a lunch on Saturday along with other members of the LGBT community in Ocean Grove.

"In a kind, respectful and constructive way, we’d like to talk to you about the pain your words about being LGBT have personally caused me and other LGBT youth," Bernstein wrote. "Your statement that being LGBT is ‘destructive to our civilization,’ when millions of LGBT people like me try our very best every day to make our world a better place, was like a knife in the heart.”
Despite Bernstein’s heartfelt plea, Cameron declined

Corey Bernstein is a 17-year-old resident of New Jersey and co-chair of the Youth Caucus at Garden State Equality, the state’s organization for LGBT civil rights. In an email sent to [creationist nutbag Kirk] Cameron through his manager on Friday, Bernstein wrote that he had “endured brutal bullying” in high school because he was gay, and invited Cameron to a lunch on Saturday along with other members of the LGBT community in Ocean Grove.

"In a kind, respectful and constructive way, we’d like to talk to you about the pain your words about being LGBT have personally caused me and other LGBT youth," Bernstein wrote. "Your statement that being LGBT is ‘destructive to our
civilization,’ when millions of LGBT people like me try our very best every day to make our world a better place, was like a knife in the heart.”

Despite Bernstein’s heartfelt plea, Cameron declined

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Oh hey, non-Jews everywhere! Please do me a favor: if you are adamantly opposed to circumcision, please do not comment on how “barbaric” or whatever it is that Jewish law dictates that…

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What? What did I say? I simply pointed out the history of Jewish and Christian practices of circumcision is rooted in a story where a man loads a zoo onto a boat. If there’s anything that’s nonsense or crap, it’s the Bible.

Well, I don’t know why I bother, but… even if you really, truly believe that that’s the literal origin of circumcision,

Oh, I’m so sorry, Liberal Christian, I forgot that in your view, you get to be the arbiter of what parts of the Bible are literal and what parts are not.

THAT’S NOT A LOGICAL REASON TO BE OPPOSED TO IT.

Who said anything about opposition? Not supporting a thing isn’t opposing it. Just like not having a belief in a thing isn’t asserting it isn’t real.

It’s an ad-hominem fallacy.

Actually, it’s not. But in a stunning Shyamalanian twist, you’re going to commit this very fallacy at the end of this post.

If someone told me that we brush our teeth because a magical fairy will pull them out if they’re not clean enough, that does indeed qualify as ‘silly’, but it doesn’t imply that brushing my teeth is a bad decision.

A…..HA! So, you admit that the ends justify the means? Your implication is that people are stupid and incapable of rational behavior and need a myth to guide them. You’re also implying that it’s OK to teach proper social, moral, hygienic, or any other behavior through fear, even if the manifestation of that fear isn’t really there to begin with. This comment really exposes a fundamental flaw with the way you’ve been taught to think, LC.

What you’re really saying is, ‘I think Christianity/Judaism is stupid and therefore circumcision is bad.’ That’s. called. illogical.

And there’s your ad hom.

There are actual issues and questions about circumcision that could be addressed.

The conversation started out with some insolent ninny insisting that any of your “actual questions about circumcision that could be addressed” were to be precluded by a discussion of the claimant being an anti-Semite for even broaching the subject.

If you can’t address them, then you’re every bit as ignorant and irrational as people who claim it must be done because the bible says so. (I.E. It must NOT be done because the bible says so)

Uh, why should I have to defend why manipulating an infant’s genitalia is stupid? Shouldn’t the people who do it (and sometimes suck the blood out with their filthy, bacteria trap mouths (that’s not anti-Semitic, by the way, every living creatures mouth is a filthy, bacteria trap I wouldn’t put on an open wound).

And then there’s the fact that you’re misrepresenting the story of the ark, and the covenant with God, etc etc… but that’s really too obvious to even debate.

I’m sorry, it’s true that Noah promised the all powerful creator of all things that he would chop off part of his wingdangdoodle before the all powerful creator of all things found no other way to correct what he perceived as naughty behavior by the people he created besides drowning most of them.

I guess he had a moral beef with a bunch of other animals too, because most of them got wiped out, not that there’s even a shred of evidence for a flood that matches that description or any logical way a 600-year-old man (pfft) living in his region of the world could possibly amass every other living animal on a ship, but it’s all vital we just accept the wonder and the magic of it because if we don’t we might get cavities. Right?

Source : mantidprincess
Bloomberg BusinessWeek: How The Mormons Make Money
Some interesting segments:

the church’s holdings are vast. First among its for-profit enterprises is DMC, which reaps estimated annual revenue of $1.2 billion from six subsidiaries, according to the business information and analysis firm Hoover’s Company Records (DNB). Those subsidiaries run a newspaper, 11 radio stations, a TV station, a publishing and distribution company, a digital media company, a hospitality business, and an insurance business with assets worth $3.3 billion.
AgReserves, another for-profit Mormon umbrella company, together with other church-run agricultural affiliates, reportedly owns about 1 million acres in the continental U.S., on which the church has farms, hunting preserves, orchards, and ranches. These include the $1 billion, 290,000-acre Deseret Ranches in Florida, which, in addition to keeping 44,000 cows and 1,300 bulls, also has citrus, sod, and timber operations. Outside the U.S., AgReserves operates in Britain, Canada, Australia, Mexico, Argentina, and Brazil. Its Australian property, valued at $61 million in 1997, has estimated annual sales of $276 million, according to Dun & Bradstreet.



The church also runs several for-profit real estate arms that own, develop, and manage malls, parking lots, office parks, residential buildings, and more. Hawaii Reserves, for example, owns or manages more than 7,000 acres on Oahu, where it maintains commercial and residential buildings, parks, water and sewage infrastructure, and two cemeteries. Utah Property Management Associates, a real estate arm of the church, manages portions of City Creek Center. According to Spencer P. Eccles from the Utah Governor’s Office of Economic Development, the mall cost the church an estimated $2 billion. It is only one part of a $5 billion church-funded revamping of downtown Salt Lake City, according to the Mormon-owned news site KSL. “They run their businesses like businesses, no bones about it,” says Eccles.
n addition, the church owns several nonprofit organizations, some of which appear to be lucrative. Take, for example, the Polynesian Cultural Center (PCC), a 42-acre tropical theme park on Oahu’s north shore that hosts luaus, canoe rides, and tours through seven simulated Polynesian villages. General-admission adult tickets cost $49.95; VIP tickets cost up to $228.95. In 2010 the PCC had net assets worth $70 million and collected $23 million in ticket sales alone, as well as $36 million in tax-free donations. The PCC’s president, meanwhile, received a salary of $296,000. At the local level, the PCC, opened in 1963, began paying commercial property taxes in 1992, when the Land and Tax Appeal Court of Hawaii ruled that the theme park “is not for charitable purposes” and is, in fact, a “commercial enterprise and business undertaking.” Nevertheless, the tourist destination remains exempt from federal taxes because the PCC claims to be a “living museum” and an education-oriented charity that employs students who work at the center to pay their way through church-run Brigham Young University-Hawaii.
“There are religious groups that own radio stations, but they don’t also own cattle ranches. There are religious groups that own retreats, but they don’t also own insurance companies,” says Ryan Cragun, a sociology professor at the University of Tampa and co-author of the recently published book Could I Vote for a Mormon for President? “Given their array of corporate interests, it would probably make more sense to refer to them as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Holdings Inc.”



Mitt Romney and others at Bain Capital, the private equity firm he co-founded in 1984, gave the Mormon Church millions’ worth of stock holdings obtained through Bain deals, according to Reuters. Between 1997 and 2009, these included $2 million in Burger King (BKW) and $1 million in Domino’s Pizza (DPZ) shares.



According to an official church Welfare Services fact sheet, the church gave $1.3 billion in humanitarian aid in more than 178 countries and territories during the 25 years between 1985 and 2010. A fact sheet from the previous year indicates that less than one-third of the sum was monetary assistance, while the rest was in the form of “material assistance.” All in all, if one were to evenly distribute that $1.3 billion over a quarter-century, it would mean that the church gave $52 million annually. A study co-written by Cragun and recently published in Free Inquiry estimates that the Mormon Church donates only about 0.7 percent of its annual income to charity; the United Methodist Church gives about 29 percent.

Bloomberg BusinessWeek: How The Mormons Make Money

Some interesting segments:

the church’s holdings are vast. First among its for-profit enterprises is DMC, which reaps estimated annual revenue of $1.2 billion from six subsidiaries, according to the business information and analysis firm Hoover’s Company Records (DNB). Those subsidiaries run a newspaper, 11 radio stations, a TV station, a publishing and distribution company, a digital media company, a hospitality business, and an insurance business with assets worth $3.3 billion.

AgReserves, another for-profit Mormon umbrella company, together with other church-run agricultural affiliates, reportedly owns about 1 million acres in the continental U.S., on which the church has farms, hunting preserves, orchards, and ranches. These include the $1 billion, 290,000-acre Deseret Ranches in Florida, which, in addition to keeping 44,000 cows and 1,300 bulls, also has citrus, sod, and timber operations. Outside the U.S., AgReserves operates in Britain, Canada, Australia, Mexico, Argentina, and Brazil. Its Australian property, valued at $61 million in 1997, has estimated annual sales of $276 million, according to Dun & Bradstreet.

The church also runs several for-profit real estate arms that own, develop, and manage malls, parking lots, office parks, residential buildings, and more. Hawaii Reserves, for example, owns or manages more than 7,000 acres on Oahu, where it maintains commercial and residential buildings, parks, water and sewage infrastructure, and two cemeteries. Utah Property Management Associates, a real estate arm of the church, manages portions of City Creek Center. According to Spencer P. Eccles from the Utah Governor’s Office of Economic Development, the mall cost the church an estimated $2 billion. It is only one part of a $5 billion church-funded revamping of downtown Salt Lake City, according to the Mormon-owned news site KSL. “They run their businesses like businesses, no bones about it,” says Eccles.

n addition, the church owns several nonprofit organizations, some of which appear to be lucrative. Take, for example, the Polynesian Cultural Center (PCC), a 42-acre tropical theme park on Oahu’s north shore that hosts luaus, canoe rides, and tours through seven simulated Polynesian villages. General-admission adult tickets cost $49.95; VIP tickets cost up to $228.95. In 2010 the PCC had net assets worth $70 million and collected $23 million in ticket sales alone, as well as $36 million in tax-free donations. The PCC’s president, meanwhile, received a salary of $296,000. At the local level, the PCC, opened in 1963, began paying commercial property taxes in 1992, when the Land and Tax Appeal Court of Hawaii ruled that the theme park “is not for charitable purposes” and is, in fact, a “commercial enterprise and business undertaking.” Nevertheless, the tourist destination remains exempt from federal taxes because the PCC claims to be a “living museum” and an education-oriented charity that employs students who work at the center to pay their way through church-run Brigham Young University-Hawaii.

“There are religious groups that own radio stations, but they don’t also own cattle ranches. There are religious groups that own retreats, but they don’t also own insurance companies,” says Ryan Cragun, a sociology professor at the University of Tampa and co-author of the recently published book Could I Vote for a Mormon for President? “Given their array of corporate interests, it would probably make more sense to refer to them as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Holdings Inc.”

Mitt Romney and others at Bain Capital, the private equity firm he co-founded in 1984, gave the Mormon Church millions’ worth of stock holdings obtained through Bain deals, according to Reuters. Between 1997 and 2009, these included $2 million in Burger King (BKW) and $1 million in Domino’s Pizza (DPZ) shares.


According to an official church Welfare Services fact sheet, the church gave $1.3 billion in humanitarian aid in more than 178 countries and territories during the 25 years between 1985 and 2010. A fact sheet from the previous year indicates that less than one-third of the sum was monetary assistance, while the rest was in the form of “material assistance.” All in all, if one were to evenly distribute that $1.3 billion over a quarter-century, it would mean that the church gave $52 million annually. A study co-written by Cragun and recently published in Free Inquiry estimates that the Mormon Church donates only about 0.7 percent of its annual income to charity; the United Methodist Church gives about 29 percent.

(via Blaming Evolution for Tragedy)
Yesterday I was under the impression of sociopathic loner took a collection of heavy artillery no American civilian would ever need ever to a crowded movie theater and went on a shooting rampage.That’s what I thought the story was.
Now I’m seeing that, apparently, because he had been convinced by liberal evolutionist socialized education indoctrinators that he is nothing more than a soulless animal with no more special access to a magical post-mortem care-a-lot than a termite, he simply acted much in the way any other animal obviously does.
See, in the jungle a zebra or a bear or a parakeet, will frequently go on a rampage and just kill a dozen other parakeets or zebras or bears for no real reason. The only thing that keeps us from behaving this way is our covenant with a giant ghost who lives in outer space. To express this covenant, obviously, we mutilate our penises.

(via Blaming Evolution for Tragedy)

Yesterday I was under the impression of sociopathic loner took a collection of heavy artillery no American civilian would ever need ever to a crowded movie theater and went on a shooting rampage.

That’s what I thought the story was.

Now I’m seeing that, apparently, because he had been convinced by liberal evolutionist socialized education indoctrinators that he is nothing more than a soulless animal with no more special access to a magical post-mortem care-a-lot than a termite, he simply acted much in the way any other animal obviously does.

See, in the jungle a zebra or a bear or a parakeet, will frequently go on a rampage and just kill a dozen other parakeets or zebras or bears for no real reason. The only thing that keeps us from behaving this way is our covenant with a giant ghost who lives in outer space. To express this covenant, obviously, we mutilate our penises.

Source : patheos.com
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