Oh hey, non-Jews everywhere! Please do me a favor: if you are adamantly opposed to circumcision, please do not comment on how “barbaric” or whatever it is that Jewish law dictates that…
What? What did I say? I simply pointed out the history of Jewish and Christian practices of circumcision is rooted in a story where a man loads a zoo onto a boat. If there’s anything that’s nonsense or crap, it’s the Bible.
Well, I don’t know why I bother, but… even if you really, truly believe that that’s the literal origin of circumcision,
Oh, I’m so sorry, Liberal Christian, I forgot that in your view, you get to be the arbiter of what parts of the Bible are literal and what parts are not.
THAT’S NOT A LOGICAL REASON TO BE OPPOSED TO IT.
Who said anything about opposition? Not supporting a thing isn’t opposing it. Just like not having a belief in a thing isn’t asserting it isn’t real.
It’s an ad-hominem fallacy.
Actually, it’s not. But in a stunning Shyamalanian twist, you’re going to commit this very fallacy at the end of this post.
If someone told me that we brush our teeth because a magical fairy will pull them out if they’re not clean enough, that does indeed qualify as ‘silly’, but it doesn’t imply that brushing my teeth is a bad decision.
A…..HA! So, you admit that the ends justify the means? Your implication is that people are stupid and incapable of rational behavior and need a myth to guide them. You’re also implying that it’s OK to teach proper social, moral, hygienic, or any other behavior through fear, even if the manifestation of that fear isn’t really there to begin with. This comment really exposes a fundamental flaw with the way you’ve been taught to think, LC.
What you’re really saying is, ‘I think Christianity/Judaism is stupid and therefore circumcision is bad.’ That’s. called. illogical.
And there’s your ad hom.
There are actual issues and questions about circumcision that could be addressed.
The conversation started out with some insolent ninny insisting that any of your “actual questions about circumcision that could be addressed” were to be precluded by a discussion of the claimant being an anti-Semite for even broaching the subject.
If you can’t address them, then you’re every bit as ignorant and irrational as people who claim it must be done because the bible says so. (I.E. It must NOT be done because the bible says so)
Uh, why should I have to defend why manipulating an infant’s genitalia is stupid? Shouldn’t the people who do it (and sometimes suck the blood out with their filthy, bacteria trap mouths (that’s not anti-Semitic, by the way, every living creatures mouth is a filthy, bacteria trap I wouldn’t put on an open wound).
And then there’s the fact that you’re misrepresenting the story of the ark, and the covenant with God, etc etc… but that’s really too obvious to even debate.
I’m sorry, it’s true that Noah promised the all powerful creator of all things that he would chop off part of his wingdangdoodle before the all powerful creator of all things found no other way to correct what he perceived as naughty behavior by the people he created besides drowning most of them.
I guess he had a moral beef with a bunch of other animals too, because most of them got wiped out, not that there’s even a shred of evidence for a flood that matches that description or any logical way a 600-year-old man (pfft) living in his region of the world could possibly amass every other living animal on a ship, but it’s all vital we just accept the wonder and the magic of it because if we don’t we might get cavities. Right?
Liberals are always mocking Christians
Hyperbolic straw-man, I already take nothing you say seriously.
and calling us fake Christians
Non-sequitur: use of the word “us” has no reference point.
because we allegedly don’t care about the poor.
Combination non-sequitur (still don’t know who the “we” is) and straw-man (because we don’t know who the allegation is being made by.)
Liberals believes a true Christian should believe in socialism
Setting up a straw-man.
because in their eyes Jesus was a socialist.
Begging the question.
Now, what I find funny is: Liberals appeal to Christians principles
like giving to the poor when they want to push their liberal agenda,
poisoning the well
but they become enraged when Christians try to push other Christian principles like pro-life and traditional marriage laws.
"…principals like pro-life." Son, can you read? Do you know the difference between an adjective and a noun? Because if you can’t clearly articulate your point, why should I think you clearly thought it through?
Furthermore, Christian principals like hetero-normative marriage only applies to Christians.
They say, “helping the poor is a public matter, abortion and marriage are private matters”.
So many grammatical errors!
What liberals fail to realize is:
Christianity is about surrendering your entire life to Jesus, public and private matters included.
Yeah, well, you know it isn’t the government’s fucking job to push Christianity on people, right? Our laws are founded on principals of reason and enlightenment, not on some backward bronze-aged childish superstition about magic ghosts who live in the clouds.
The way you talk, behave and think.
This is not a sentence. Why should I take you seriously?
Liberals claim that Christians pick and choose, but liberals don’t realize they do it themselves.
Pick and choose what? Morality? First off, this is just another in a never-ending stream of straw-man arguments you’ve made. Second, there’s nothing wrong with picking and choosing your morality. Somethings are obviously morally objective, but other things aren’t.
Before you point the finger, make sure your hands are clean.
This is not a saying and it doesn’t make sense.
This reminds me of the time when Obama was at the prayer breakfast and used holy scriptures to support his ideals.
Right, how opportunistic of a president to do that. Only Obama has ever done that, right? And how inappropriate of the president to talk about his view of the Bible at a prayer breakfast, right?
Liberals loved the Bible then and didn’t complain. However if Bush used scripture to support his ideals, Liberals would be crying in the streets that Bush was forcing religion down their throats.
Uh, good thing Bush never did that? Dumbass.
I love poking fun at liberal hypocrisy.
Well, you’re really shitty at it, maybe you need some practice. Here’s some advice for you.
Fundamentalist Christian sister-in-law and her family are coming here tomorrow for the 4th of July. She’s… angry… with me and thinks I’m possessed by the devil or some such nonsense, so I felt the need to prepare my son this morning for any potential issues.
Me: Hey Alex? Pretend I’m someone else for a minute, k? I’m going to ask you some questions.
My son: Okay!
Me: Do you pray?
My son: Do I play what?
Me: No, do you pray? Do you talk to god?
My son: No… do you talk to god?
Me: Of course I talk to god! I talk to god every day.
My son: What do you talk about?
Me: HA! That was awesome. Okay, do you believe in Jesus?
My son: Mmmm… not really.
Me: Why don’t you believe in Jesus? Didn’t your mom tell you about Jesus?
My son: Oh! Sure, she told me about him. He’s a character in the Bible.
Me: He is in the Bible! And you know you have to believe in him to go to heaven, right?
My son: How do you know heaven is real?
Me: Because it’s in the Bible, of course.
My son: How do you know the Bible is true?
Me: Because it is God’s word.
My son: How do you know it’s God’s word?
Me (grinning): Okay, I’m me again. You know what kid? You deserve a massive high five.
My son: I know.
Questions, people. We don’t need to know or have all the answers… we just need to be able to ask questions. ~JJ
In which a 7-year-old schools the majority of Americans on simple logical fallacies.