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Christians keep telling me Jesus paid the ultimate price and, by virtue of doing so, gave everything he could for us. →

itschildoftheonetrueking:

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itschildoftheonetrueking:

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Neither is true, even if you accept the Bible story and the existence of a god as true (which I don’t, but as I said, that’s beside the point.)

Jesus sacrificed nothing. According to the Bible, he clearly had supernatural powers, was clearly in touch with his deadbeat biological father, God aka…

Have you ever been crucified? (Note: I haven’t, but I’ve read a lot on crucifixion)

No, but I’m also not a god (I’m admitting this against the advice of Winston Zedemore).

Well the word “crucified” is also where we get the word “excruciating”. Death by crucifixion was the worst form of torture invented in that time. Just to give you an idea of how painful it is. 

Right, sounds downright deadly…for people. Of course, for god’s it must be a different scale, right?

I will admit, I’m not God either (surprise surprise), but I do have the Bible, which is evidence to how Jesus felt during this time. 

Since I began this with the premise “if the Bible is true” (which it is not), I’ll grant you this.

According to Luke 22, Jesus did not want to die:

[Luk 22:39-45 ESV] 39 And he came out and went, as was his custom, to the Mount of Olives, and the disciples followed him. 40 And when he came to the place, he said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.” 41 And he withdrew from them about a stone’s throw, and knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” 43 And there appeared to him an angel from heaven, strengthening him. 44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground. 45 And when he rose from prayer, he came to the disciples and found them sleeping for sorrow,

This is the evidence that I can present regarding the sacrifice that God made. 

So you’re telling me that Jesus suffered, for a few days (in the grand scheme of eternity that seems like nothing) and that his real concern was that he was afraid to die, which he didn’t. Not only didn’t he die (since he has eternal life, right?) but he’s basically like the king of heaven, right? Heaven! Unlimited waterslides and blueberry pancakes that don’t make you gain any weight. What was he so afraid of? What did he sacrifice? What did he lose for our gain? He didn’t lose his life, according to the Bible he rose from the dead. Essentially he is still alive in an even better place. What was he holding onto here? He had no girlfriend, no pancakes and hardly any shoes. He made it to 33 which is about six or seven years shy of the life expectancy at the time.

Note: I am beginning to think that it wasn’t a sacrifice for God, per say, but more of a sacrifice on our behalf.

This isn’t even really my point, but I get where you’re going with it. What you’re driving at here is that the mechanism of a sacrifice to God doesn’t make sense as a means to make souls live forever, the causal relationship isn’t there.

However, my question is, what is even the sacrifice. Here’s a sacrifice: Man pushes child away from oncoming car only to be hit himself and die. Or, on a lighter note, the batter hits a fly ball deep enough for the runner on third to tag up and score. That’s a sacrifice fly. In both cases, the actor lost something they can never get back. The runner can’t get to first and the man can’t be unhit by the car. But Jesus was unkilled when he rose from the dead. So what’s the sacrifice?

Like in the OT, the Israelites would make sacrifices for their sin, and Jesus is called the Lamb, which is an animal the Israelites would sacrifice. I just thought of this, so I need to do more research and stuff. 

Good luck, there’s lots of interesting sources out there.

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Christians keep telling me Jesus paid the ultimate price and, by virtue of doing so, gave everything he could for us.

Neither is true, even if you accept the Bible story and the existence of a god as true (which I don’t, but as I said, that’s beside the point.)

Jesus sacrificed nothing. According to the Bible, he clearly had supernatural powers, was clearly in touch with his deadbeat biological father, God aka Yahweh, and he clearly knew what was going to happen to him (both that he’s be crucified as he’d rise from the dead).

So, where’s the sacrifice? Was it the shitty weekend he had to spend dying out of his physical form which he knew was going to die anyway? I mean, we’re all gonna die, we all know it, but if someone offered you the chance to live forever and a host of other benefits (free wine, get a lot of worship, statues, etc) and you knew it was real, would complying with the one request, to suffer for a weekend, be a real sacrifice?

To the extent you can call it a sacrifice at all, can it really be called ‘the ultimate price?’ Wouldn’t the ultimate price be if he made a lasting decision that would be eternally detrimental to him, but eternally beneficial to us?

How, if he got to have eternal life in heaven and all that good stuff, has he sacrificed everything? He still has things! If you sacrifice everything it just follows logically that you have nothing, not eternal life, not a seat next to your father in his office, not millions of followers, not a dime.

Believing in heaven is exactly the same as making friendzoning claims

annatriestoexplainthings:

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In each insistence you behave only because of the expectation of a reward. That’s not to say you wouldn’t behave otherwise, but you’re expecting something in return for your behavior is suspect. It suggests you wouldn’t be friendly if you didn’t think your get laid and it suggests you wouldn’t be moral if you didn’t expect heaven. But friendliness and morality are their own rewards. You don’t need sex to validate your friendliness and you don’t need heaven to validate your morality ad if you do, we’re you really at all friendly or moral to begin with?

Let’s play a game. It’s called “address fundamental misunderstandings of Christian teaching.” This post is a perfect place to start.

This oughta be good.

Any Christian who expects to go to heaven is not practicing Christianity correctly.

No true scotsman fallacy

The theological virtue “hope” is important to think about here. Hope (along with all virtues) is a balance. It is the center of a continuum between “despair”, and “assurance.”

DESPAIR—————————HOPE————————-ASSURANCE

Where does “knowledge” or “evidence” fall in this scale?

Despair is the conviction that you are a hopeless, worthless sinner and that you can never, under any circumstances, go to heaven. It is a sin, because it denies God’s power to save anyone, even the most evil among us. It is a lack of faith.

So, not only are sins sins, but feeling bad about your sins is also a sin? By the way, what exactly is God saving me from and why would he not save me just because I didn’t think he would?

Assurance is the conviction that you are locked and loaded to go into heaven, and that nothing can take that away from you. It is a sin, because it denies that you are a sinner. It is an overabundance of pride.

So, sinning is a sin, feeling despair about sinning is another sin and getting over that despair is also a sin. Is this really a guy you WANT to worship?

Hope, though, is the idea that you, despite your sinfulness, and your unworthiness, can be saved by God’s power, forgiveness, and love, and that through his grace, and no power of your own, you might one day enter heaven. It is a virtue.

So hope is a porridge neither too hot nor too cold. As long as you’re kept in this one mindset where you’re begging, your safe.

Now, “grace”. That word gets thrown around a lot without definitions. Let’s define it. Grace is

"…the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.”

"Undeserved?" OOOO, that sounds despondent. I think you sinned.

Hm. That doesn’t sound like we’re asking God for anything. It sounds like, of his own free will (if we’re using the friendzone metaphor here), God is giving us not only permission, but an invitation to enter into eternal life with him.

I don’t know if the metaphor makes sense when you assert there really is a god. I said believing in heaven, not expecting heaven from a particular god.

Further,

"[Grace] depends entirely on God’s gratuitous initiative, for he alone can reveal and give himself."

Yikes, uh, that sounds startlingly like sexual consent #thefriendzonemetaphor

So, you believe if you’re hopeful then God will honor your invitation to heaven? You can’t see how that’s behaving in a particular manner in order to receive a reward?

And to top it all off:

 God’s free initiative demands man’s free response, for God has created man in his image by conferring on him, along with freedom, the power to know him and love him. The soul only enters freely into the communion of love.

Yeah, I get it. Man is free to obey god or burn in hell. That’s some ultimatum love he’s granted us.

Damn. So it looks like here, that God is 1. Giving man consent to enter heaven

Yeah, I’m starting to wonder if you understand that friendzoning isn’t the removal of consent. You’re thinking of rape.

and 2. Won’t let him/her enter there until man also gives that consent back.

Yeah, and someone pressured and manipulated into a relationship because of a preceding “friendship” is still giving consent, in that they weren’t physically forced, but the one doing the pressuring ain’t no prize pig.

So, hope and grace. We hope for heaven, but do not expect it, and receive utterly undeserved yet freely given grace from God that allows us to enter into his kingdom.

Besides the obvious question (according to what?!) you’re once again violating your despair rule by referring to good people as “utterly undeserving.” Plus, you’re revealing that you believe God is the one deciding who gets into heaven by saying he “allows” us to enter when earlier you said we’re all invited, as long as we meet some “just-right porridge” reuirements

It sure doesn’t sound like the friendzone to me.

You’re right, it’s way worse.

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Except that no one built either an ark nor an arc (the latter of which I presume you actually intended to refer to), because those things are mythological.

oomshi:

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Except that no one built either an ark nor an arc (the latter of which I presume you actually intended to refer to), because those things are mythological.

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seaturtle-suitcase:

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where-my-sidewalk-ends:

When I was little and being bashed about the head with the Bible…I never could understand the reasoning behind Satan punishing the wicked when he obviously loved mischief and evil.   When I mentioned this to the cult leaders…the punishment lasted…week of hard labour, 2 days no food and lots of other little annoying fucking things.  I guess adults don’t like a child poking holes in their logic…lol :)

There’s you’re Christianity for ya there. Punish children for using their brains.

ok here is the logic behind the whole hell thing satan and lucifer are the same being lucifer was cast from heaven because god told the angels to worship and love humans as they loved god himself and lucifer refused because he could never love someone as much as his father when god threw him out lucifer decided to prove his point by creating a place to torture those who refused god 
It’s not a matter of how much lucifer loves mischief its a matter of how much he hates the human race

Kid, that logic is ridiculous because of the nature of the character God in the Bible. (Not to even mention that your failure to use the text to illustrate your point makes it seem like you pulled this out of your ass. Gimme a chapter and verse, man!) But even if you didn’t jus make this up, how could it make sense for God to permit the destination of souls to be beyond his grasp, it simply doesn’t follow. If God ordered this system in which humans live, then die, then continue on into some afterlife, how are the rules of transportation to that afterlife not something he has control over? Why couldn’t he do a better job explaining his command about loving humans to lucifer? Shouldn’t a god who is all-knowing know how to frame the argument to best appeal to this guy? Finally, the point of my comment was that religious instructors rarely engage in these kinds of apologetic shenanigans (frankly, because they might sound as idiotic as you do). Instead they tell children to shut up and obey because that’s truly what’s at the heart of every religion: wielding undue power over others. By the way, I poked around your blog a bunch and noticed you’re one of those fucking “where’s my white pride day” racists. So, fuck you for that too. I betting my Christian friends are eager to tell you off too, you sick fucker.

seaturtle-suitcase:

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where-my-sidewalk-ends:

When I was little and being bashed about the head with the Bible…I never could understand the reasoning behind Satan punishing the wicked when he obviously loved mischief and evil.   When I mentioned this to the cult leaders…the punishment lasted…week of hard labour, 2 days no food and lots of other little annoying fucking things.  I guess adults don’t like a child poking holes in their logic…lol :)

There’s you’re Christianity for ya there. Punish children for using their brains.

ok here is the logic behind the whole hell thing satan and lucifer are the same being lucifer was cast from heaven because god told the angels to worship and love humans as they loved god himself and lucifer refused because he could never love someone as much as his father when god threw him out lucifer decided to prove his point by creating a place to torture those who refused god 

It’s not a matter of how much lucifer loves mischief its a matter of how much he hates the human race

Kid, that logic is ridiculous because of the nature of the character God in the Bible. (Not to even mention that your failure to use the text to illustrate your point makes it seem like you pulled this out of your ass. Gimme a chapter and verse, man!) But even if you didn’t jus make this up, how could it make sense for God to permit the destination of souls to be beyond his grasp, it simply doesn’t follow. If God ordered this system in which humans live, then die, then continue on into some afterlife, how are the rules of transportation to that afterlife not something he has control over? Why couldn’t he do a better job explaining his command about loving humans to lucifer? Shouldn’t a god who is all-knowing know how to frame the argument to best appeal to this guy?

Finally, the point of my comment was that religious instructors rarely engage in these kinds of apologetic shenanigans (frankly, because they might sound as idiotic as you do). Instead they tell children to shut up and obey because that’s truly what’s at the heart of every religion: wielding undue power over others.

By the way, I poked around your blog a bunch and noticed you’re one of those fucking “where’s my white pride day” racists. So, fuck you for that too. I betting my Christian friends are eager to tell you off too, you sick fucker.

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where-my-sidewalk-ends:

When I was little and being bashed about the head with the Bible…I never could understand the reasoning behind Satan punishing the wicked when he obviously loved mischief and evil.   When I mentioned this to the cult leaders…the punishment lasted…week of hard labour, 2 days no food and lots of other little annoying fucking things.  I guess adults don’t like a child poking holes in their logic…lol :)

There’s you’re Christianity for ya there. Punish children for using their brains.

where-my-sidewalk-ends:

When I was little and being bashed about the head with the Bible…I never could understand the reasoning behind Satan punishing the wicked when he obviously loved mischief and evil.   When I mentioned this to the cult leaders…the punishment lasted…week of hard labour, 2 days no food and lots of other little annoying fucking things.  I guess adults don’t like a child poking holes in their logic…lol :)

There’s you’re Christianity for ya there. Punish children for using their brains.

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Louisiana Want Bible As Official State Book - TIME →

Louisiana wants the Bible to be it’s state book, but that’s not a state-sponsored endorsement of a particular religion or anything.

An increasingly undeniable FACT is that abject HATE for Christianity is on the rise in America. That is not to say that Christians are persecuted, it is to say that they are hated. Persecution, lest we remain vigilant, follows after.

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And yes, you CAN persecute a majority.  How many times do we see it argued that the super rich are persecuting the rest of us?

It must be true because you said it, right? You feel one way and, certainly, your experience as an instigator and a troll have in no way tainted your experience, right? Your anecdotal evidence [actual anecdote not even included] proves that hate against Christians is on the rise. You don’t need to define “hate” or quantify “the rise” it just IS, right?

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academicatheism:

If Jesus Never Called Himself God, How Did He Become One?
When Bart Ehrman was a young Evangelical Christian, he wanted to know how God became a man, but now, as an agnostic and historian of early Christianity, he wants to know how a man became God.
When and why did Jesus’ followers start saying “Jesus as God” and what did they mean by that? His new book is called How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee.
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Scene from Monty Python’s Life Of Brian:BRIAN: I’m not the messiah!GIRL: only the true messiah would deny his divinity!BRIAN: Well, what sort of chance does that give me? Alright, I am the messiah!FOLLOWERS: He is the messiah! He admitted it!BRIAN: Oh, fuck off.

academicatheism:

If Jesus Never Called Himself God, How Did He Become One?

When Bart Ehrman was a young Evangelical Christian, he wanted to know how God became a man, but now, as an agnostic and historian of early Christianity, he wants to know how a man became God.

When and why did Jesus’ followers start saying “Jesus as God” and what did they mean by that? His new book is called How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee.

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Scene from Monty Python’s Life Of Brian:

BRIAN: I’m not the messiah!
GIRL: only the true messiah would deny his divinity!
BRIAN: Well, what sort of chance does that give me? Alright, I am the messiah!
FOLLOWERS: He is the messiah! He admitted it!
BRIAN: Oh, fuck off.

Source : NPR