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Christians keep telling me Jesus paid the ultimate price and, by virtue of doing so, gave everything he could for us. →

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Neither is true, even if you accept the Bible story and the existence of a god as true (which I don’t, but as I said, that’s beside the point.)

Jesus sacrificed nothing. According to the Bible, he clearly had supernatural powers, was clearly in touch with his deadbeat biological father, God aka…

Have you ever been crucified? (Note: I haven’t, but I’ve read a lot on crucifixion)

No, but I’m also not a god (I’m admitting this against the advice of Winston Zedemore).

Well the word “crucified” is also where we get the word “excruciating”. Death by crucifixion was the worst form of torture invented in that time. Just to give you an idea of how painful it is. 

Right, sounds downright deadly…for people. Of course, for god’s it must be a different scale, right?

I will admit, I’m not God either (surprise surprise), but I do have the Bible, which is evidence to how Jesus felt during this time. 

Since I began this with the premise “if the Bible is true” (which it is not), I’ll grant you this.

According to Luke 22, Jesus did not want to die:

[Luk 22:39-45 ESV] 39 And he came out and went, as was his custom, to the Mount of Olives, and the disciples followed him. 40 And when he came to the place, he said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.” 41 And he withdrew from them about a stone’s throw, and knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” 43 And there appeared to him an angel from heaven, strengthening him. 44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground. 45 And when he rose from prayer, he came to the disciples and found them sleeping for sorrow,

This is the evidence that I can present regarding the sacrifice that God made. 

So you’re telling me that Jesus suffered, for a few days (in the grand scheme of eternity that seems like nothing) and that his real concern was that he was afraid to die, which he didn’t. Not only didn’t he die (since he has eternal life, right?) but he’s basically like the king of heaven, right? Heaven! Unlimited waterslides and blueberry pancakes that don’t make you gain any weight. What was he so afraid of? What did he sacrifice? What did he lose for our gain? He didn’t lose his life, according to the Bible he rose from the dead. Essentially he is still alive in an even better place. What was he holding onto here? He had no girlfriend, no pancakes and hardly any shoes. He made it to 33 which is about six or seven years shy of the life expectancy at the time.

Note: I am beginning to think that it wasn’t a sacrifice for God, per say, but more of a sacrifice on our behalf.

This isn’t even really my point, but I get where you’re going with it. What you’re driving at here is that the mechanism of a sacrifice to God doesn’t make sense as a means to make souls live forever, the causal relationship isn’t there.

However, my question is, what is even the sacrifice. Here’s a sacrifice: Man pushes child away from oncoming car only to be hit himself and die. Or, on a lighter note, the batter hits a fly ball deep enough for the runner on third to tag up and score. That’s a sacrifice fly. In both cases, the actor lost something they can never get back. The runner can’t get to first and the man can’t be unhit by the car. But Jesus was unkilled when he rose from the dead. So what’s the sacrifice?

Like in the OT, the Israelites would make sacrifices for their sin, and Jesus is called the Lamb, which is an animal the Israelites would sacrifice. I just thought of this, so I need to do more research and stuff. 

Good luck, there’s lots of interesting sources out there.

Source : goodreasonnews

Christians keep telling me Jesus paid the ultimate price and, by virtue of doing so, gave everything he could for us.

Neither is true, even if you accept the Bible story and the existence of a god as true (which I don’t, but as I said, that’s beside the point.)

Jesus sacrificed nothing. According to the Bible, he clearly had supernatural powers, was clearly in touch with his deadbeat biological father, God aka Yahweh, and he clearly knew what was going to happen to him (both that he’s be crucified as he’d rise from the dead).

So, where’s the sacrifice? Was it the shitty weekend he had to spend dying out of his physical form which he knew was going to die anyway? I mean, we’re all gonna die, we all know it, but if someone offered you the chance to live forever and a host of other benefits (free wine, get a lot of worship, statues, etc) and you knew it was real, would complying with the one request, to suffer for a weekend, be a real sacrifice?

To the extent you can call it a sacrifice at all, can it really be called ‘the ultimate price?’ Wouldn’t the ultimate price be if he made a lasting decision that would be eternally detrimental to him, but eternally beneficial to us?

How, if he got to have eternal life in heaven and all that good stuff, has he sacrificed everything? He still has things! If you sacrifice everything it just follows logically that you have nothing, not eternal life, not a seat next to your father in his office, not millions of followers, not a dime.

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I’m a little skeptical this will be any good, after all it is run by David Silverman. But, who knows, maybe I’ll take Good Reason News to the small streaming screen.

Source : godlessgreg

Egypt uncovers Simpsons conspiracy to destabilize the Arab world · Newswire · The A.V. Club →

Egyptian TV thinks the Simpsons indicates an international conspiracy to overthrow their government, 13 years in the making.

Watch the video, she’s like the Alex Jones of Egypt. (Needless to say, she actually seems a little better informed that Alex Jones. I say ‘needless to say’ because just by virtue of being another person she’s necessarily better informed than Alex Jones: the dumbest jackass in the world.)


Want an exorcism over Twitter? Why not ask this smooth-brained dingbat? He’s internet exorcist Pastor Chris Ward and you can tweet him here. Or, you can just admire his posts about how “Obama is the father of modern racism” or the ones where he celebrates teachers (who he calls liberal-evolutionary-secular-atheistic) losing their jobs. Real class act.

Today In the Delusional Derangement Of Glenn Beck: 'There's A War On God' | video →

holygoddamnshitballs:

On his television program last night, Glenn Beck reacted to the news that the Supreme Court had upheld the practice of delivering sectarian prayers at government meetings by wondering how we, as a nation, had even gotten to the point where this was up for debate, warning that America is just one Supreme Court justice away from completely losing the right to pray in public. 

By ‘television show’ you must mean ‘pathetic webcast of his LiveJournal blog’ and by ‘right to pray in public’ he must mean ‘ability to use public resources to endorse a particular religion.’

Source : holygoddamnshitballs
Ceremonial prayer is but a recognition that, since this nation was founded and until the present day, many Americans deem that their own existence must be understood by precepts far beyond the authority of government.
Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, in the court’s majority. The Supreme Court upholds legislative prayer at council meetings. (via washingtonpost)

This is fucking ridiculous, why can’t people in government just carry out the business of governing? You don’t see successful Wall Street firms spending time debating who the highest power is. You don’t see employees of major chains forced to talk about ‘spiritual’ issues before unlocking the loading bay. Why must these motherfuckers use out time that we’re paying for to hoist this upon us?

(via washingtonpost)

Source : Washington Post
Republicans: The Supreme Court declared obamacare constitutional. Activist judges! Secede! Communism! Won't somebody think of the children?!
Republicans: The Supreme Court found prayer at a government meeting constitutional. Finally, some common sense!

Supreme Court upholds prayer at government meetings →

It’s in and it’s as crazy as suspected. First off, this is a major victory for Jesus Camp Christians and no one else:

"The legal tussle began in 2007, following eight years of nothing but Christian prayers in the town of nearly 100,000 people outside Rochester. Susan Galloway and Linda Stephens, a Jew and an atheist, took the board to federal court and won by contending that its prayers – often spiced with references to Jesus, Christ and the Holy Spirit — aligned the town with one religion.

Once the legal battle was joined, town officials canvassed widely for volunteer prayer-givers and added a Jewish layman, a Wiccan priestess and a member of the Baha’i faith to the mix. Stephens, meanwhile, awoke one morning to find her mailbox on top of her car, and part of a fire hydrant turned up in her swimming pool.”

Second, this decision was, predictably, split down party lines.

Breaking: Supreme Court somehow upholds unconstitutional prayer in government meetings

USAToday is running a banner about it, but no stories in yet. My guess is they means prayers to Jesus and not Allah or Satan or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.