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Roberts: Don't bother trying to discuss your god with "atheist swine" on social media →

Here’s a guy who is doesn’t really believe in what he’s doing. If he really believes this God exists, he must be interested in discussing it with people besides the people who already believe in it.

He’s really just afraid to face how indefensible and illogical his view is. He’s instructing his listeners to close their ears and close their minds, same thing these Christian Conservative usurpers have been doing since time immemorial.

metaphetamines:

Okay let’s be real:

First off, I am not in opposition to gay marriage because it’s not my place.

There are a million solid arguments on why gay people should be allowed to get married. 

But I have yet to hear a single valid reason as to why gay people should want to get married.

Don’t get me wrong, I”m not trying to stop you, but given what marriage actually is (or is supposed to be) I don’t really see the point. Can somebody explain?

1) religious- not every religion is based on the Bible (by the way, your characterization of the history of marriage is 100% wrong and puts your myopia on display.)

2) financial- financial benefits and privileges from banks, house and medical loans, insurance companies and the state and federal governments are awarded to married couples.

3) social- a society that affords a right to one group and not another effectively stigmatizes that other group. It makes them ‘less than.’ That’s not American equality at all. People should be able to share their happiness with their whole extended families in a big gaudy ceremony just like anyone else. Community standing is important to adults, kid.

4) legal- spouses are given legal benefits including power of attorney, hospital visitation rights, military notification, adoption preferences, so many more that it’s ridiculous to list.

The fact that you don’t know this tells me you’re a child who knows nothing about marriage.

Source : metaphetamines

Radio jockey: At the end of the day, all racists are atheists →

Ugh. We know how often people who make absolute claims are right, don’t we?

Boko Haram growing militancy: The Nigerian group’s crimes will not remain in Nigeria. →

It’s been two weeks since the Islamist group, whose name means “Western education forbidden”, kidnapped nearly 200 young girls.

In North Carolina, churches are legally bound from performing marriages for same sex couples. →

and one church is suing. If only there were a really obvious precedent about what to do in cases where the state makes a law respecting a religious establishment like this. Conservatives seem to quote it all the time and yet, they reject it when it’s time to adhere to it.

Virginia Christians prepare for 40-day hunger strike against same-sex marriage →

They should keep it up until they get their way. I’d be for marriage equality even more!

Blind atheist running for Congress against right-wing bigot →

Palin Tells NRA Members: ‘Waterboarding Is How We Baptize Terrorists’ →

crooksandliars:

The Quitta’ from Wasilla with some “tough talk” for the wingnuts at the NRA annual convention this weekend. Maybe we can get her to team up with her buddy Hannity to get waterboarded and then we’ll see how many jokes she wants to make about it later.

Here’s more from The Hill, who decided to dance around the notion that waterboarding is torture as well.

Palin at NRA meeting: ‘Waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists’:

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) defended the controversial enhanced interrogation technique of waterboarding this weekend, and implied that the practice would still be commonplace “if I were in charge.”

“They obviously have information on plots to carry out Jihad,” she said at the National Rifle Association (NRA) annual meeting on Saturday evening, referring to prisoners. “Oh, but you can’t offend them, can’t make them feel uncomfortable, not even a smidgen. Well, if I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists.”

The remark stands in stark contrast to the opinion of her former running mate, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).

The former Republican presidential nominee, who spent more than five years in a prison camp during the Vietnam War, has repeatedly denounced the practice, which he says is torture.

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Source : crooksandliars

Believing in heaven is exactly the same as making friendzoning claims

annatriestoexplainthings:

goodreasonnews:

In each insistence you behave only because of the expectation of a reward. That’s not to say you wouldn’t behave otherwise, but you’re expecting something in return for your behavior is suspect. It suggests you wouldn’t be friendly if you didn’t think your get laid and it suggests you wouldn’t be moral if you didn’t expect heaven. But friendliness and morality are their own rewards. You don’t need sex to validate your friendliness and you don’t need heaven to validate your morality ad if you do, we’re you really at all friendly or moral to begin with?

Let’s play a game. It’s called “address fundamental misunderstandings of Christian teaching.” This post is a perfect place to start.

This oughta be good.

Any Christian who expects to go to heaven is not practicing Christianity correctly.

No true scotsman fallacy

The theological virtue “hope” is important to think about here. Hope (along with all virtues) is a balance. It is the center of a continuum between “despair”, and “assurance.”

DESPAIR—————————HOPE————————-ASSURANCE

Where does “knowledge” or “evidence” fall in this scale?

Despair is the conviction that you are a hopeless, worthless sinner and that you can never, under any circumstances, go to heaven. It is a sin, because it denies God’s power to save anyone, even the most evil among us. It is a lack of faith.

So, not only are sins sins, but feeling bad about your sins is also a sin? By the way, what exactly is God saving me from and why would he not save me just because I didn’t think he would?

Assurance is the conviction that you are locked and loaded to go into heaven, and that nothing can take that away from you. It is a sin, because it denies that you are a sinner. It is an overabundance of pride.

So, sinning is a sin, feeling despair about sinning is another sin and getting over that despair is also a sin. Is this really a guy you WANT to worship?

Hope, though, is the idea that you, despite your sinfulness, and your unworthiness, can be saved by God’s power, forgiveness, and love, and that through his grace, and no power of your own, you might one day enter heaven. It is a virtue.

So hope is a porridge neither too hot nor too cold. As long as you’re kept in this one mindset where you’re begging, your safe.

Now, “grace”. That word gets thrown around a lot without definitions. Let’s define it. Grace is

"…the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.”

"Undeserved?" OOOO, that sounds despondent. I think you sinned.

Hm. That doesn’t sound like we’re asking God for anything. It sounds like, of his own free will (if we’re using the friendzone metaphor here), God is giving us not only permission, but an invitation to enter into eternal life with him.

I don’t know if the metaphor makes sense when you assert there really is a god. I said believing in heaven, not expecting heaven from a particular god.

Further,

"[Grace] depends entirely on God’s gratuitous initiative, for he alone can reveal and give himself."

Yikes, uh, that sounds startlingly like sexual consent #thefriendzonemetaphor

So, you believe if you’re hopeful then God will honor your invitation to heaven? You can’t see how that’s behaving in a particular manner in order to receive a reward?

And to top it all off:

 God’s free initiative demands man’s free response, for God has created man in his image by conferring on him, along with freedom, the power to know him and love him. The soul only enters freely into the communion of love.

Yeah, I get it. Man is free to obey god or burn in hell. That’s some ultimatum love he’s granted us.

Damn. So it looks like here, that God is 1. Giving man consent to enter heaven

Yeah, I’m starting to wonder if you understand that friendzoning isn’t the removal of consent. You’re thinking of rape.

and 2. Won’t let him/her enter there until man also gives that consent back.

Yeah, and someone pressured and manipulated into a relationship because of a preceding “friendship” is still giving consent, in that they weren’t physically forced, but the one doing the pressuring ain’t no prize pig.

So, hope and grace. We hope for heaven, but do not expect it, and receive utterly undeserved yet freely given grace from God that allows us to enter into his kingdom.

Besides the obvious question (according to what?!) you’re once again violating your despair rule by referring to good people as “utterly undeserving.” Plus, you’re revealing that you believe God is the one deciding who gets into heaven by saying he “allows” us to enter when earlier you said we’re all invited, as long as we meet some “just-right porridge” reuirements

It sure doesn’t sound like the friendzone to me.

You’re right, it’s way worse.

Source : goodreasonnews

Believing in heaven is exactly the same as making friendzoning claims

In each insistence you behave only because of the expectation of a reward. That’s not to say you wouldn’t behave otherwise, but you’re expecting something in return for your behavior is suspect. It suggests you wouldn’t be friendly if you didn’t think your get laid and it suggests you wouldn’t be moral if you didn’t expect heaven. But friendliness and morality are their own rewards. You don’t need sex to validate your friendliness and you don’t need heaven to validate your morality ad if you do, we’re you really at all friendly or moral to begin with?