Neither is true, even if you accept the Bible story and the existence of a god as true (which I don’t, but as I said, that’s beside the point.)
Jesus sacrificed nothing. According to the Bible, he clearly had supernatural powers, was clearly in touch with his deadbeat biological father, God aka…
Have you ever been crucified? (Note: I haven’t, but I’ve read a lot on crucifixion)
No, but I’m also not a god (I’m admitting this against the advice of Winston Zedemore).
Well the word “crucified” is also where we get the word “excruciating”. Death by crucifixion was the worst form of torture invented in that time. Just to give you an idea of how painful it is.
Right, sounds downright deadly…for people. Of course, for god’s it must be a different scale, right?
I will admit, I’m not God either (surprise surprise), but I do have the Bible, which is evidence to how Jesus felt during this time.
Since I began this with the premise “if the Bible is true” (which it is not), I’ll grant you this.
According to Luke 22, Jesus did not want to die:
[Luk 22:39-45 ESV] 39 And he came out and went, as was his custom, to the Mount of Olives, and the disciples followed him. 40 And when he came to the place, he said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.” 41 And he withdrew from them about a stone’s throw, and knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” 43 And there appeared to him an angel from heaven, strengthening him. 44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground. 45 And when he rose from prayer, he came to the disciples and found them sleeping for sorrow,
This is the evidence that I can present regarding the sacrifice that God made.
So you’re telling me that Jesus suffered, for a few days (in the grand scheme of eternity that seems like nothing) and that his real concern was that he was afraid to die, which he didn’t. Not only didn’t he die (since he has eternal life, right?) but he’s basically like the king of heaven, right? Heaven! Unlimited waterslides and blueberry pancakes that don’t make you gain any weight. What was he so afraid of? What did he sacrifice? What did he lose for our gain? He didn’t lose his life, according to the Bible he rose from the dead. Essentially he is still alive in an even better place. What was he holding onto here? He had no girlfriend, no pancakes and hardly any shoes. He made it to 33 which is about six or seven years shy of the life expectancy at the time.
Note: I am beginning to think that it wasn’t a sacrifice for God, per say, but more of a sacrifice on our behalf.
This isn’t even really my point, but I get where you’re going with it. What you’re driving at here is that the mechanism of a sacrifice to God doesn’t make sense as a means to make souls live forever, the causal relationship isn’t there.
However, my question is, what is even the sacrifice. Here’s a sacrifice: Man pushes child away from oncoming car only to be hit himself and die. Or, on a lighter note, the batter hits a fly ball deep enough for the runner on third to tag up and score. That’s a sacrifice fly. In both cases, the actor lost something they can never get back. The runner can’t get to first and the man can’t be unhit by the car. But Jesus was unkilled when he rose from the dead. So what’s the sacrifice?
Like in the OT, the Israelites would make sacrifices for their sin, and Jesus is called the Lamb, which is an animal the Israelites would sacrifice. I just thought of this, so I need to do more research and stuff.
Good luck, there’s lots of interesting sources out there.