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Listening to Young Atheists: Lessons for a Stronger Christianity →


This is a great article on young atheists and what made them turn away from the faith. My experience with lapsed Catholics (both those who have become protestants as well as those who are now atheists) bear this out.

The conclusion of the article? If you want to reach atheists, be a saint.

To repeat my earlier comment on this bullshit article:

Fuck this ad hom bullshit. This whole story, which was written by a biased thoughtless numbskull, seeks to frame atheism as an individual’s problem with some church or set of religious ceremonies. The subtext, of course, is that they’re atheists because they want to be atheists. Like it’s cool to be part of the “new atheism” movement (if you can even stomach that fucking term.) That if only church were more engaging these kids would reveal that truly, in their heart of hearts, they believe in some god. He even subheads a section: “The Decision to embrace unbelief was often an emotional one.”

What a steaming load of pandering, dismissive, thought-terminating, condescending bullshit.

First of all, it’s not a decision to believe or not believe something. If that were the case, of course, you could decide to believe you were telepathic and you could have communicated this story to the whole planet without having to publish it (saving us all a lot of grief). You could have chosen to believe you can fly. Yet, you published this harmful bullshit where everyone could see it because you don’t believe you can communicate telepathically and you don’t walk off the Empire State Building because you don’t just believe you can fly. Not believing in your ability to fly isn’t the result of some low self-esteem or traumatic childhood, it’s based on what you know about the natural world. Not believing in gods isn’t based on being bored at church and your fucking single, pathetic anecdote doesn’t help your argument. Not believing in gods is based on the same observation and knowledge of the natural world.

Source : becomingcatholic

"Faith is the surrender of the mind": Atheism →



The believe that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for once again, no reason whatsoever, into…

Nothing like typing out well-known memes word-for-word (except spelled wrong) as if they’re your own work to show everyone your absolute refusal to think.

Source : luminosusdomina


“I don’t believe in evolution, I accept that it is true.”
“I don’t believe in evolution, I understand why evolution is true.”

New atheists don’t understand what a belief is.

Sounds more like you don’t understand the nuance of the word “belief.” Words have different meanings in different contexts, you know that, don’t you? There’s ‘belief’ meaning ‘intellectual acceptance’ and there’s belief meaning ‘devoted conviction or faith.’

Outside of the context of religion, I believe in the Republican party in that I accept that there is such an entity, but I do not believe in the Republican party in that I have no confidence in their ideas or actions. I believe that the best science points to evolution as the actual process by which species develop and change over time. I don’t just accept it’s true because a pile of unhistorical stories were compiled about it the way people who actually believe a magical god character exists do.

See, not everything’s so easily reducible to smartass little blog posts.

Source : goebel


Middle School Muslim students participate in the Friday prayer service. Menstruating girls, at the very back, do not take part

Christian fundamentalists open the way for all other religious fundamentalists to demand equal rights to conduct religion in public schools

“A high school near Washington DC has taken a rare step of accommodating Muslim prayer during class hours.”

Separate all religions from state/public affairs…

OK, so teenage girls on their period are excluded and separated from the group, but Islam isn’t internalized misogyny? OK.

Source : confrontingbabble-on

Our Purpose Part II


Some people

Who you calling “some people?”

reblogged my original Purpose post. They didn’t understand obviously because they said, “What if that child cures cancer.” What purpose is there in curing cancer if we all die anyway and there is no God?

People wouldn’t have to have cancer. They could enjoy a cancer-free life with their loved ones before they die anyway and there is no god.

There is no point in saving lives if their is no God.


And yes there is. Living is fun and I want to live. Life is where all the best stuff happens. Have you heard the albums Jimi Hendrix recorded after he died? They’re terrible! He clearly was at his creative peak between the time he was born and the time he died. Why isn’t enjoying life and wanting to prolong it enough? Why do I need to follow it up with some magical trip to never never land?

You live and you die in a world with no God.

Yeah! That’s what I’m saying, and it’s OK.

A world with God you are dead, born again, and then given an eternal life.

Depending on which particular god myth you believe for no good reason because there’s no evidence for it. Your desire to live forever can’t make it so.

Also we don’t have our children glorify us because we are not perfect and technically we indirectly made them if God exists.

Nah, son, children are made using your junk. It involves a lot of stickiness. Also, you missed the point of my analogy. Why would a god need constant praise, why would that be something that a god would desire? He’s already a god, he’s got limitless powers. He could play any Super Nintendo game he wants and his console never farts out, no matter how old it is. He never even has to blow on the game. Why would he have needs or desires at all? If you were the most powerful entity in any dimension, how could you want for anything?

God is perfect though and he formed us and gave us our life. Why would we not praise his gracious name?

If he was perfect and he created us, you’d think he’d have gotten a better result.

Source : musicandgod

In the Beginning

Your wrong about so many things here, lets discuss a small percentage of how wrong you are.


One idea that is prevalent through the entire creation account

creation myth. That’s not an insult, we’re literally talking about a myth. By definition, the story of creation in the Bible is classified as myth. Also, it’s not true and you’d have to be stupid to believe it is. That’s an insult.

is the idea of separation. Separating light from darkness, earth from sky, land from sea,

Land and sea aren’t separate.

night from day,

Only separate in so much as its how we’re marking time,

humans from animals,

Not at all separate, that’s like saying you’re separating orange from colors.

and man from woman.

Also not separate. Culturally you may have dreamed up some separation, but since this post is about science, than scientifically speaking, the difference between a man and a woman is about as great as the difference between a male and female salamander. Might matter to the salamander, but you wouldn’t say the male and female salamander are separate. Tell you this much: If men and women were ‘separate,’ we wouldn’t do too well as a species.

It’s the idea of creating order as much as creating in general.

Why would a god need a way to create order? Like, if a god could just create night and day, why couldn’t he just create order? Why would he need to create something that makes order? It’s like saying if i had unlimited powers and I wanted a burrito I could make a cow appear and then milk the cow and process the milk to into sour cream and then kill the cow and grind and cook its meat and refry some beans and wish for some tomato seeds to plant tomatoes to begin the process of making my own salsa, or, I just make a fucking burrito appear fully formed.

This was something the ancients

the ancients!? Ha, what a silly, romanticized phrase for cavemen.

understood as being a necessary part of creation.

You mean, it worked well for their plot? You see, the ancients didn’t have a great expanse of knowledge or access to the kinds of tools for understanding the natural world we have today. They didn’t have very long lifespans. It was like a planet run by the stupidest, most frightened, anxious teenagers ever. Defensive, immature and confused, they made up stories. Stories were interesting, especially fantastic ones, people listen to stories and people who tell stories like to be listened to. So fantastic stories were made up. When people asked ‘why does the sun circle the sky?’ Story tellers made up different stories. Gods in chariots, giant eyes, whatever whatever, one of them happened to be this particularly refined Jewish myth. That’s not understanding. That’s just compelling storytelling.

I think it’s really cool that our modern science has confirmed this.

Well, take your jacket off, son, because it’s about to get a little less cool in here: Modern science hasn’t confirmed jackshit of what you’re talking about.

Some of our biggest questions and unknowns about the start of the universe deal with separations. For our universe to take form matter had to separate from energy.

eh….does not compute….

Matter had to separate from antimatter.

Dude, you don’t know what antimatter is. I don’t know what antimatter is. Like, no one really knows enough about antimatter, you probably should just back off talking about it until you have like a billion degrees in theoretical physics, and if you had those degrees, you’d know not to talk about antimatter like you know what you’re talking about, cause you don’t.

The four fundamental forces

John, Paul, George and Ringo?

all had to be separated. Space and time had to be separated.

Space and time are not exactly “separated.”

How this all happened are the questions at the cutting edge of physics and astronomy, as they well should be. A grand unification theory would launch science into an entirely different place.

But I do think it’s pretty cool that theologians have had the answer below all the physicists answers for 5000 years.

Yeah, too bad it’s a bullshit answer. The theologians answer is just to shrug and say “magic man did it.” That’s not answer, that’s a hypothesis, and a silly one with no justification.

Source : christianengineer

Should a Muslim man marry an atheist woman? GRN grabs the rebound!

Dear Prudie,
My girlfriend is a beautiful, funny, and intelligent young woman and I’m very lucky to have her in my life. We met in college, we know each other’s families, and are each other’s best friends. I’ve been with her for almost two years and I would like to start a life with her. There’s only one issue—as a Muslim, I feel my future wife has to believe in God. I’m not the strictest of Muslims, I occasionally drink and don’t follow everything written in the Quran, but my girlfriend is an atheist. She says she’s open to believing, but that is a requirement in order for our marriage to be valid within Islam and so that we can marry in a mosque. I want that not only for religious reasons but because it’s a cultural and familial tradition. We’ve talked about her converting but it’s usually ended up with us brushing it aside or with her being hurt because she says I can’t love her for who she is. Of course I love her and want to be with her but I also want my future marriage to be validated by my religion and accepted by God. But I don’t want to pressure her into converting, either. What do I do?

—Feeling Lost

Hang on, Prudie, I got this one.

Dear Feeling Lost,

Your religion is a sham and its using you to further its self. You see, like any other institution, religions’ number one goal is the preservation and promulgation of the institution itself. So Islam, which is just a corrupt institution, just like the fast food industry or child-sweat-shop-made sneakers or corporate radio. And, like those industries, Islam is trying to make a customer out of your girlfriend and a more loyal customer out of you. Institutions do this through advertising. “Beef! It’s what’s for dinner!” The point of this ad is, ‘hey, you’re gonna eat dinner, you gotta eat beef.” It’s inserting itself into your life by implying that the normal, default position on dinner is that it’s a beef-centric meal. Other advertisements appeal to a sense of individualism. “The Pepsi Generation!” You know, you’re young, you’re cool, you drink a Pepsi, you don’t drink what the old man drank, you wanna be cool, right? I mean, you want to be a contributing member to the right culture (in this case youth culture) right? Finally, there are also ads that appeal to your sense of responsibility. Insurance companies are particularly fond of this one, you know, “are you in good hands?” It makes you think, ‘oh, fuck, if I get crushed by a meteor tomorrow, who’s gonna buy little Jane that baseball mitt she’s been wanting and how will junior afford ballet lessons on my partner’s measly salary? I better buy that insurance!’

Religion is all of these combined. It appeals to your sense of normalcy (phrases like “good Christian” don’t just assume the person’s morality, it also implies they’re familiar and trustworthy), it appeals to your sense of individualism (You don’t say, ‘I follow the Islamic faith,’ you say ‘I am a Muslim,’ it’s part of your self-identity.) and it appeals to your sense of responsibility as your question displays "I also want my future marriage to be validated by my religion and accepted by God" You love this woman, but you’re being irresponsible for not clearing it with God, even though you love her and the way you feel isn’t changing, you feel compelled to ask some kind of permission to accept the way you already feel. (Sidenote: Just curious if you’re aware of what God does to Muslims who marry atheists or other non-Muslims. If you guessed “nothing because there is no God,” you’re correct!)

See, Islam wants to wrap itself around important life events so that you keep coming back, a loyal customer. Like a smoker. When tobacco companies started facing advertising regulations, they upped the addictive chemical ratio in their products in order to keep their customers coming back. Religion arranges itself around the important milestones in people’s lives to keep you coming back. Births, puberty, weddings, funerals, and of course holidays. They’re times you’re compelled to visit the institution out of some misplaced guilt your parents instilled when you were young because it was instilled in them and so on and so on and turtles all the way down.

Want my advice? No?! Well, fuck it, I’m gonna give it anyway. Break the cycle of addiction to a corrupt institution bent on dominating people’s social structure and abandon Islam altogether. Be a humane parent and allow your children to grow up without the terror your parents and their religion imposed upon you and I know you’re terrified, because your question basically demands something unreasonable, that your wife lie to a deity (by saying she believes it when she obviously doesn’t) who you can’t even be sure exists, for whom you have so little faith exists that you disobey the rules he supposedly laid out (because you drink and shit). Asking for your wife to pretend to be a different woman to appease your superstition shows your weakness as a critical thinker, but it’s not to late for you. Step one: Never set foot in a mosque again. Step two: Throw your qu’ran away. Step three: Ignore other religions, they’re the same shit with different labels. (You can’t swear off Marlboros and start smoking Kools and tell people you quit smoking) Step Four: Enjoy freedom.
Source : Slate


well this is what i meant to post originally…glad someone knows how to work a computer besides me ha

What Christians actually believe. Great job, whoever did this.

(via photomgraphy)

Source : astrodidact

Search warrants executed at Narconon drug rehab clinic →

The Church of Scientology-affiliated clinic has denied any wrongdoing, saying it follows standard billing procedures for rehabilitation facilities.