Awwww you don't like people being assholes to you? Have a taste of your own medicine you hypocrite.
Sounds like somebody’s got a poopy diaper. Do you have a poopy diaper? I think you do! I think you got a poopy diaper!
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Showing the harm of religious beliefs
Can you imagine how mad everyone would get if we did to animals what we did to children in abortion?
1) There are no children involved in abortions. Children are born. The term you are looking for is fetus.
2) Animal abortions do happen, because sometimes things go wrong with pregnancies.
I’m not vegan or vegetarian, but I do want to point out that thousands of animals are regularly tested on, injured, deprived of proper habitats, and generally treated inhumanely in the name of ~beauty products~ so saying humanity doesn’t mistreat the bunnies whose eyelids get chopped off to test shampoo, and that a fetus has it worse off, really is cruel
Yeah, are we really going to pretend there’s any meaningful outrage over the treatment of animals? Veal? Foie Gras? I heard about a restaurant serving fucking lion meat. If the premise is that people should be as outraged about abortion as they are about what we do to animals, I think you’re trapped in your own little bubble. I’d rather have been aborted than lived the life of a duck whose never seen the outside of a cage barely bigger than it’s body who regularly got a metal pipe shoved down its throat and is force fed until it develops a lethal liver condition from being immobile and grossly overweight, just to have its head cut off, its inflammed liver removed and served undercooked to some asshole willing to pay nearly $100 a pound for what amounts to an appetizer all the while acting like the server who brought it to him has dance like a fucking clown just to earn a measly 15% tip.
Yes, it was the criticism of the other person's argument :P
OK. I can dig it. You’re quite brainy and, like many of my followers (but unlike all of my detractors) quick than I.
The appropriate response to someone asking you not to make a rape joke is not “What, were you raped or something?”
Yeah, definitely fucking not. If someone says “What, were raped or something?” You’re going to have to ask them if their humanity is broken.
What I mean is that the degree of cognition of a newborn is akin to that of a parrot, or a dog. So any criterion of "personhood" that includes human adults but doesn't include parrots and dogs must automatically exclude unborn humans.
I agree with your conclusion, but I’m not totally on board with the reasoning, particularly the premise that ‘degree of cognition’ is a criteria to judge “personhood” by. Unless that’s your criticism of that other person’s comment. Then I get it, you’re revealing the flaw in their argument. I’m sorry, it’s not you, you’re writing it right, it’s me, I lost the thread.
Cool. How far do those rights extend then? In other words do rights start once you have taken your first breath or when part of the body is out? At what point if any is a fetus too far along to not be aborted. If that makes sense. Eh. Rape is a real factor in abortion. It should be addressed.
I understand your desire for things to be clean-cut, black-and-white and universal. This is how we’re all educated in our outdated Western education system. We want the rules to be consistent. 90-100% = A, 80-89%=B and so on. This is approach doesn’t work so well in society. There are mitigating contingencies. Some situations are different than others. Clearly, some late-term abortions are necessary (exemplified by Dr. George Tiller) whereas others are not, (as exemplified Kermit Gosnell).
Rape is not a factor in abortion, it’s a distraction. To bring it into the conversation makes it seem like individuals pregnant from a rape are more justified in getting an abortion than others. They are not. They are equally justified. Because the situation in which an individual becomes pregnant is not a factor in whether or not their right to an abortion is legal. You don’t gain a right by being raped. Everyone has the right to an abortion.
queriesofaqueer replied to your post: So when are you going to address those other asks? Or do you not have a logical answer? You’re not done you’re “A+ arguing” yet.
not to make this about me or anything, but I dislike that someone with their head so obviously and viciously shoved up their own ass is quoting meHear that, pushy anon? Better watch who you’re quoting. qOq isn’t to be reckoned with.
Your analogy is similar to the cancer analogy. Sorry but those patients still have options for life in those situations and their right to life is still respected. An abortion only has one option and the one being aborted doesn't get to choose.
I agree that the “one” getting aborted doesn’t get to choose. Make me care.
I'm proj-choice. Abortion should be made available to woman as long as it's rare and safe. Normally I would agree with most of what you say but today you could have done a little better at defending our view. It came off as insult without substance. Just my opinion. But I agree. Abortion should be kept legal.
And what is “our” view? I don’t know your view. My view is abortion on demand without apology. I don’t care if it’s rare and safe or if it’s common and safe. I agree on the “safety” aspect because that implies a government regulation upon the provider and government should regulate industries. I disagree with the “rare” aspect because that implies a government regulation on the consumer and I can’t support that.
Also, I should point out that fetuses/embryos aren't people by any standard that includes all adult humans but doesn't include parrots, dolphins or bonobo monkeys.
I’m glad you pointed this out, but I’m not sure I understand it.
